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Caroline
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posted June 20, 2002 05:58 PM      Profile for Caroline     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I go through phases when I use skimmed milk. It tastes rather yucky really but I know that it's better for me. I know so many older ladies who have (if I can spell it) osteoporosis and I know that calcium is important for us girls!

But I read somewhere recently (I wish I could remember where. I think it was something at work) that your body can't absorb the calcium from skimmed milk because your body needs fat in order to absorb it. (Or something!!!)

Does anyone know if that's true? If it is, it's a bit of a dilemma, isn't it?


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llizard
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posted June 20, 2002 06:46 PM      Profile for llizard   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've never heard that about skim milk, Caroline. I think I've heard that vitamin C is required to help absorb calcium and that caffeine and/or chocolate can inhibit calcium absorption. But I don't know about that.

So I just did a hasty search on Google. While I know that one can't believe everything one reads on the internet, I'd like to think that the following site about osteoporosis prevention is going to get their facts straight.

from Osteoporosis Online: Prevention: Calcium & Vitamin D:

quote:
Skim milk products provide as much calcium as whole milk with the added advantages of less fat and cholesterol.

(Incidentally, calcium isn't just important for us girls. My dad has osteoporosis....)


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Jackie
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posted June 20, 2002 09:04 PM      Profile for Jackie   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I honestly never knew that men could get osteoporosis llizard. But when you think about it, there's no reason why it should be a female-only thing. Best wishes to your dad, I hope he copes with it OK.

That's a wonderful link that you posted. The calcium calculator was particularly fascinating because it said my diet is very low in calcium. I entered the food I had eaten yesterday and the calcium intake was way too low despite that fact that it was a 'cheese day' for me yesterday - we called into a restaurant on the way home and had a four cheese pizza. It's such a dilemma - calcium v. fat. Although I was interested to see that calcium is available from foods other than dairy produce. I didn't know that.

Caroline, I recommend you take a look at that site. I think that the answer could be calcium supplements - what do you all think about that? I would much prefer to get the nutrients I need from food but that's not always possible, is it?

By the way, I'd heard that same thing about skim milk. The source will probably interest you - my Two Fat Ladies cookbook! Clarissa Dickson Wright comes out with the same 'fact'. Now I think she is the most marvelous cook but the shape of her indicates that she'd have a real downer on skim milk!


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Andy
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posted June 22, 2002 10:14 PM      Profile for Andy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Milk is so full of contradictions - a friend who has bad arthritis swears by her dairy-free diet...
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Jackie
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posted June 22, 2002 10:29 PM      Profile for Jackie   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I agree Andy. My late godmother, who was only in her fifties, had arthritis. She was convinced that avoiding dairy foods and citrus fruits helped her enormously.

I don't have arthritis, as far as I know, but several months ago I started having stiffness and aching in my fingers. Coincidentally, after a few months, we went onto a low fat diet for weight reasons. This included cutting right down on dairy foods.

Since that time, no more aching fingers!

If I had arthritis, I'd certainly try going without dairy foods for a month or so to see if there was any difference.

These things are always worth a try.


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Anh2-4-Andrew
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posted June 24, 2002 07:41 AM      Profile for Anh2-4-Andrew     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Im very concern myself! I really need to suppliment myself with calcium through other types of food besides milk! I dont like the taste of milk myself! Most Asian people like my Father have-I believe called lactase intolerance?! Where they cant have any type of diary products!
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llizard
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posted June 24, 2002 09:31 AM      Profile for llizard   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thu, do you have lactose intolerance too? What a drag for you. But there are other natural sources of calcium besides milk. You might like to take a look at this article:

How to Get Enough Calcium Without the Cow (this is a link)

Even though I am not fond of milk either, (luckily I'm not lactose intolerant) I get a lot of my calcium from cheese and yoghurt, which I love.


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Jackie
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posted June 25, 2002 08:18 AM      Profile for Jackie   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Add me to the list of people who don't like milk! Interesting link. Good to see that tofu is a source of calcium.
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Anh2-4-Andrew
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posted June 25, 2002 09:12 AM      Profile for Anh2-4-Andrew     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks Llizard for the link!!
Thats good to know that someone else hates milk too!!!

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Caroline
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posted June 25, 2002 05:55 PM      Profile for Caroline     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes, that's a great link! I can't believe that there are people who don't like milk! I could drink a pint of milk at any time, day or night! I don't though because it's sooooo fattening.

And I just can't drink skimmed milk. I can use it in tea, in cooking and on my morning muesli but that's the lot!


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Anh2-4-Andrew
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posted June 28, 2002 09:35 AM      Profile for Anh2-4-Andrew     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have to keep reminding myself to drink milk so that I dont have osteoporosis(mispelled??)when I get old..boy..I need some calcium in my body...Im surprised my bones are holding me up....
CAROLINE....what about skim milk or 2% milk? Thats less fattening....

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California Girl
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posted June 28, 2002 03:27 PM      Profile for California Girl   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm not lactose intolerant but I do suffer from IBS, and through trial and error have found that milk makes it worse.
Fortunately, I eat a lot of cheese (I LOVE cheese), and my dietician recently put me on a LOT of supplements as I'm so malnourished.
I'm getting there though

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Anh2-4-Andrew
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posted June 29, 2002 03:31 PM      Profile for Anh2-4-Andrew     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sorry to hear that CG, but what exactly is IBS?
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California Girl
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posted July 03, 2002 05:43 PM      Profile for California Girl   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh dear Thu, you're going to make me explain?
Irritable Bowel Syndrome. Makes you go poop a lot Not pleasant at all.
Can be regulated by diet and exercise. Both of which are anathema to me

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Caroline
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posted July 04, 2002 05:14 PM      Profile for Caroline     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ugh California Girl, that can't be much fun for you. I'm ashamed to say that despite the fact that I work for a couple of doctors, I'm pretty thick about medical matters. Is IBS something that's curable or something you have to learn to live with?

You'll have to tell us what sort of diet you should have. All the foodie brains here would probably be able to think of some great ideas for you. Aren't you supposed to avoid things with pips, like tomatoes and strawberries, or am I thinking of something else???


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California Girl
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posted July 05, 2002 11:34 PM      Profile for California Girl   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's really a case of trial and error, Caroline. It's not curable, you learn to live with it.
My diet is absolutely appalling (well it was, I'm getting better!!!).
I've found that eggs and milk upset me, and I love both, BUT they're okay in very small quantities.
I eat a lot of bread and pasta, and I'm okay with those. Bananas I have a problem with, but fortunately strawberries don't seem to affect me.
I can't eat wheat bread - white only, but that's okay. And I can't eat too much stuff with fiber in it.
Alcohol doesn't affect me either - woohoo!!!
Chocolate causes a problem but it's a problem I'd rather live with - I LOVE chocolate!!!!
Like I said, it's trial and error, and fortunately I only have it mildly.

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Caroline
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posted July 08, 2002 06:40 PM      Profile for Caroline     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh, just think what it would be like if you COULDN'T have alcohol! It's such a shame that there are certain foods you can't eat though. Especially the milk. But you've got a good attitude and that works wonders!!!
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California Girl
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posted July 09, 2002 02:04 PM      Profile for California Girl   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If it don't make me puke, I'm 'appy.

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Anh2-4-Andrew
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posted July 09, 2002 02:56 PM      Profile for Anh2-4-Andrew     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
California Girl..didnt mean to make you explain but Im glad you did because what I have is totally opposite of what you have and Im sure there is a name for it!! Its so crazy but I always always constipated!!!You try to stay away from fiber and I try to eat as much fiber as possible! Wheat bread on the contrary is helpful to me and so is eating a lot of salads, which I dont mind because I love salads...now that Im taking prenatal vitamins-things are a little easier on me if you know what I mean...
My friends make fun of me and said that if I didnt have this problem, I might even be thinner than what Im already!

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DeniseM
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posted January 24, 2008 02:53 PM      Profile for DeniseM        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I LOVE MILK! I feel very lucky that I can have dairy products.
Especially CHEESE.

Denise


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Hillary
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posted January 25, 2008 03:30 PM      Profile for Hillary        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You know, cheese is one of my favorite foods too. It's what I had for dinner last night. Cheese only! Seth was out of town on business so I just raided the refrigerator and finished up with cheese
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